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  • 1.  4-20 MA Pressure Sensor

    Posted 06-19-2023 15:13

    We are retrofitting a 4-20 ma system to remove the circular paper chart recorder and install a Bluetooth receiver for the 4-20 signal.

     The Bluetooth receiver is designed to take a 4-20 ma input and send it through the internet to the cloud

    Other than setting the receiver 4-20  0 (4 ma and max 20 ma max) are there other considerations ie the impedance of the current leg?

    Is it possible to put the new receiver and the current system in series? Will it require any different calibration?



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    Barry
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  • 2.  RE: 4-20 MA Pressure Sensor

    Posted 06-20-2023 02:17

    Hi Barry,

    Regarding your question: Many Industrial Process Transmitters ( 4-20mA) have a loop resistance limit of approximately 750 ohms.

    It's no problem connecting other devices in this particular  loop, as long as you do not exceed the transmitter's loop resistance limit.

    This info can be found either on the Transmitter dataplate itself, of in the Manufacturer's Manual.

    Hope this helps. Kind regards, Charles



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    Charles Palmer
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  • 3.  RE: 4-20 MA Pressure Sensor
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    Posted 06-20-2023 02:53

    Just some additional input to my earlier reply, Barry : The 4-20mA transmitter is normally powered by a 24v DC source ( PLC, DCS etc) which contains a 250 ohm resistor across the input terminals. This resistor converts the current ( 4-20mA) int a Voltage signal ( 1-5 V) as the input to the PLC, DCS etc..

    So in the overall loop, one needs to add this resistance to that of all other devices in the loop, to obtain the total loop resistance.

    Basics of The 4 - 20mA Current Loop ~ Learning Instrumentation And Control  Engineering



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    Charles Palmer
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  • 4.  RE: 4-20 MA Pressure Sensor

    Posted 06-21-2023 07:30

    Thanks, I think I understand now how it works. The sensor itself will send 4-20ma regardless of IP voltage provided it has enough voltage to push through the impedance of the connected components.



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    Barry Busey
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  • 5.  RE: 4-20 MA Pressure Sensor

    Posted 06-21-2023 07:49

    That's correct. 

    The transmitter being powered with 24v DC, will cause a current, representative of the Process Measured variable  to flow in the complete circuit.

    There is one possible problem that could occur here : If the 24v DC supply is lower than normal, and the resistance is close to the total limit of 750 ohms, there may not be sufficient Voltage force for the current to flow; in this case, the reading on the receiver ( PLC or DCS) will be lower than the true value.

    All of the above parameters are easily verified with a Digital Multimeter in the case of suspected error.

    Hope this helps.

    Kind regards,

    Charles



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    Charles Palmer
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  • 6.  RE: 4-20 MA Pressure Sensor

    Posted 06-21-2023 07:55

    Yes, 100%. Thanks again!



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    Barry Busey
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  • 7.  RE: 4-20 MA Pressure Sensor

    Posted 06-21-2023 12:24

    What Bluetooth receiver are you using?



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    Bill Kilbey
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  • 8.  RE: 4-20 MA Pressure Sensor

    Posted 06-21-2023 12:30

    Erbessd 4-20mA

    Bluetooth 4-20mA Sensor

    ERBESSD INSTRUMENTS remove preview
    Bluetooth 4-20mA Sensor
    EPH-G61 is a Bluetooth 4-20mA sensor. Monitor output of any 4-20mA transducer. Ideal for LVDT, pressure and level sensors. Modbus Protocol available
    View this on ERBESSD INSTRUMENTS >



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    Barry Busey
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  • 9.  RE: 4-20 MA Pressure Sensor

    Posted 06-21-2023 13:50
    Hi Barry, to install Bluetooth 4-20mA Converters is in my opinion, an interim measure used in upgrading a plant fitted with legacy measurement & Control devices. Once again, if I can offer my humble advice, this is not the way to go. I say this, as if you were to remove the legacy 4-20mA transmitter, replacing it with the latest 'Smart' wireless transmitter, you would immediately benefit by virtue of all the additional Analytics available. Furthermore, this additional data can be analysed with Smart Software. This can and will add to the overall efficiency of your plant and also improve your Safety systems if you are using SIL compliant devices . Let me know if you have any questions. Kind regards, Charles